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  • Saturday, 30 May 2015

    A repeat of siachin promise by PM

    GOOD-BYE MY COUNTRY
    PM says, there is no agreement on the definition of OROP ,We request our Hon.Prime minister if you do not want to pay your debt, Please do not pay but we Indians do not expect our Prime minister to disown his own commitment to soldiers of his empire
     
    LATEST MESSAGE FROM AFVAI HEADQUARTERS 
     Respected Sir, 
    I attended meeting organised by IESM TO DAY morning.Near about 150 vet were in the meeting.Few office bearer were allowed to Speak for few min. In the given time I introduced our AFVAI and myself expressed Aim of AFVAI  in few words. All the activities were being aired live on TIME NOW NEWS X & NAI.  In between DM called MAJ SATBIR for meeting and requested  Not to go for agitation.SATBIR not agreed told DM veterans  will decide and he came back discussed with veterans what to do. All officers,Jcos and Ors decided  that 15 July 2015 should be last date.
    DM again called  delegation for meeting.The Meeting was adjourned at 1315 hrs. The delegation left again for meeting with DM and we informed that decision will b informed through mail or phone call.        Dear sir as I told u I represented AFVAI with full confidence.When meeting was lastedI again talked to Lt gen BAHIRI and MAJ gen SATBIR and Col ANIL KAUL.I advised  them form committee by taking at least on member from every Org ,they agreed and noted my name to represent on behalf of AFVAI.Now and during any activity AFVAI  will given proper respect.
     GS SIDHU
    GEN SECRETARY
      Friends,the Govt has not implemented OROP. To get our justice,Strong Agitation has been planned with effect from 14 June 2015.Maha Sangram Rally will be held on 14 June 2015 at Jantar Mantar ftom 10.30 AM to 2.30 PM.All ESM,our members of the families and our supporters are requested to attend.Now or Never,no one to stay back.Please join the Maha Rally.From 15 June 2015 Relay Hunger Strike will start with Gp of ESM at 09 AM for 24 hours and fresh Gp will sit on Hunger Strike at 9AM Daily at Jantar Mantar and in State Capitals and Districts.Please volunteer for the Hunger Strike at Jantar Mantar
    CHALO CHALO JANTAR MANTAR
    We will continue till OROP Implementation  letter is issued.  Boycott all Govt Functions incl 15 Aug and 26 Jan . Veterans  Continent not to take part on 26 Jan Parade at Delhi.We will intensify the Agitation with more activities after discussion

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    1. Thanks Capt Sahib , Unfortunately UPA and Congress Govts . too never cared for veterans. All politicians are same , no diffrence!!!

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    2. Where there is a will there is a way. The PM's attitude is utter arrogance against the Forces and the ExServicemen. If he got another four years tern it doesn't mean aged pensioner have to wait till the end of his sweet tenure? He is not a number one sentry but number one cheat.

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    3. The "one rank, one pension" demand implies payment of a uniform pension to personnel retiring in the same rank with the same length of service, irrespective of their date of retirement. We all know the pension a current Jawan draws at the end of his service. The past pensioner's pension requires to be fixed there with a correction to the accelerated promotions given presently. The exercise is so simple but the PM and his colleagues make it complex. Where there is a will there is a way. If the PM thinks that we will wait for another four years, he is under the wrong impression. He is driving us to desperation.

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    4. Befitting and Striking the TARGET. Keep it up.My regards.

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    5. Sir, all this ministers are bluff masters and anti soldier (esm). They changes their words day by day and making esm fools. Only remedy is to unite and organise nation wide dharnas and sathyagrahas. Don't believe this NDA government's promises any more. Don't' vote this bafoons any more. They are making the entire country's poor farmers and jawans fools.

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      1. This feku, Nato will see same fate as bajpai, he did only Pravachan The same way he is doing Lafjebathi. only way to come to jantar mantar

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    6. The NATO group killed the girl child in the womb itself. A befitting creation of the cartoon work by the great Biswas daa is praise worthy

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      1. Every1 shoud read...Had a problem in commenting thats why i am opting for Rply option...jst now i heard on Times now that Modi govt is not going to file a case againt Porkistan concerning Capt Saurav kalia...sir this present govt came to power on hindutava planck..now they are like all othr govt's are pleasing those minorities..Modi had forgtd all his promise including OROP..Now he's talking like an absolute monarch..take his recent comment regardin orop i.e,govt is formed for 5 years not for 1 year....Take m words modi is more concerned with his personl image..he wants to b a Times magzine's prsn f d year...Orop is nt goin to b implemntd evr....i fails to undrstand that whnevr any leader f Exservicemen movement debates on tv regardin orop then why he doesn't mentions that Parrikar(Batman..chamkadar) gave 5 deadlines that orop 'll be implemntd by that date n so on,now how can they say that thr are modalities to b worked ot..Btw high regards to Mr Karnik....All polĂ­cians are Hrami...they have lots of money for HAJ JATRA,FOR SALARIES N PERKS OF MPS ETC..bt they are not givin exservicemen ther legtimate due.. Why no leader f xserviceman catagorically mentions that Army jwans retires too early n too younge(hardly 40 to 45 yrs f age) in rspect to thr civilian counterparts as well as Paramilitary jawans,whnevr media says that govt is fearing sch demands frm othr quartrs also..i req all exserviceman leadrs either to quit this struggle n stop foolin these soldiers(As its imposibl fr evry1 on this earth to resist temptation of money so any1 can be bribed)..or if you are really concerned regarding welfare of these jwans thn plz take this struggle to its logicl conclusion.ITS BECOMING UNBEARABLE DAY BY DAY..Take m wrds ''Thr 'll be no protest on june 14 n ther 'll be no boycott of R.D prade by xservice men....evry1 is fooling the FOOLS

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    7. Let us know who is differing on the definition of OROP.

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    8. Please tell me whether OROP buried by three heroes so that confusion is over. afte burial instead let them not say modalities are being worked out. Let them in one voice say OROP buried instead saying OROP file is floating like boat between MOD AND MOF. But one thing sure all jawans shall perform DUTY with devotion.one thing I am unable to forget RM said armed forces is the only carrier where no reservationswhich itself more than One rank one pension.

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    9. After burial of orop let them not say in confused status orop will be rolled out soon. Otherwise they will be deemed cripled with Alzheimer disease.

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    10. To day i was seeing a news in the hindustan.. Times that para-military forces will be demorlaise. Kindly not that Our constiution has framed for Army Navy and Air forces personnel. And governed by military rules. As far as for Para Military Forces are governed by Central Civil Services Rules. Parmilitary Forces personal are retiring at the age of 60 theyvenjoy previledges of civilian. Somes fundamental right of Armed Forces have been Abrogated. Defence personnel mostly retire at the age of 35 to 40. I think our leaders should not compare military with para military personnel. Before that theyvshoud go through rules for Military and rules for para military personnel. Mostly when discipline concern Para military forces say we are not govern by military rule we are govern by central civil services rules. But for finalcial benefit they say we shiuld get benefit like military. Defence personnel are not against of Para Military Forces. If they want benefut same like armed forces in that case constution should be amended by govt that all para military forces rules will be same as for armed forces. Their jawan will also retire from service as applicable to armed forces. Then their heads will ever agree. I thing Para Military is different from Military services and cannot be equitted.

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      1. More over there is no pension for para milotary ( I rather say central armed police because only Assam Rifles has the status of para military) is stopped since 2004. They are covered under NPS.

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    11. Capt Amarinder singh ; Do u think that exservicemen are chutia like u? Where were u and ur idiot council ministers for last 40 yrs. Were they fuching their top brass. Aye chutia donot make Exservicemen food. They are atleast wise than u chutia.so plz stop ur chutiapanthi

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    12. HAMAM MEIN SAB NANGE HAIN.....EITHER MMS or NaMo.

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    13. earlier DM confd OROP finalised &file t FM.how now comes modilities being workedout.this shows giving misiformation by our PM t gain time so as rally postponed .DM had got rally postponed earlier also.If our PM desire OROP canbe declared by 10May still10days as per DM confm declared earlier &comfirmed OROP be declared by 26may by our PM.Now govt has put paramilitry clause just t delay tatctis by govt.Jai hind jai jawan.

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    14. very fine representation of anguish by exservicemen

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    15. So when you say no progress will be given to media no date of implementation will be committed then how is it different from UPA govt.

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    16. Sir, entire ex-servicemen association should take action to gather so that Govt will awake and then positive result will come in favor of ex-servicemen in connection with orop. Every day they are making us fool. How MPs & MLAs payment is increasing within short notice , why then OROP is pending for last 40 years. Regards SN Sharma Ex MWO

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    17. Bambooism prevails! They, the politicos, r treating the true welfare of the citizens incl. Ex-Ser as a problem that is promised to be solved but the promise is never to be kept. The prev govt. gifted the Big Bamboo named OROP to thier heirs and those in power now r finding 1001 ways to get the entire process so delayed that they can also successfully pass the Gift to their successor with greater intensity, enhanced exchequer and inversely proportioned patience of the War Veterans. Shame on all those in the cvapacity of decission making!

      shameless creatures!

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    18. Why congress has not done in last 60 years, Now Rahul Gandhi and this Captain Sahab want to take us in their fold. They must not dream for it. They have also put efforts to develop this country right but their intention was malafide = heavy commission and looting for themselves. Now let us see the BJP how good they are in devotion and loyalty.

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    19. Babus plan to link OROP to no. of years in rank, instead of total service which is shown on PPO. To show no. of years in rank in PPO of 25 lakh veterans will take years and OROP will die a natural death. Great plan.

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    20. We have great regards and respect for our Prime Minister who is above all the Chief Executive of the nation. However, we never expected our Prime Minisrter would stall indefinite time for implementation of OROP even after repeated assurances in front of army jawans. If he was serious so, in lieu of making it more complex, he would have taken action in line with granting 6000 crores to Mongolia or E Visa to China etc. In those cases, he had not depended upon beurocrats and took one minute decision. If he would have decided to pay OROP within one year, his order was suffice for such implementation. However, most of the exservicemen are aged and had shown enough patience in the war field as well as in their daily life after forceful retirement. This patience game as projected should not be applied to aged exservicemen atleast as on death, their spirit would not pardon these people in power.

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    21. Ex servicemen brothers there seems to be a foul play some where. Neeyyat mei khot or daal me kala lagta hai.

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    22. The only problem for delay in implementation of orop seems to be division of veterans into different political parties. They are not United on this sensitive issue. They are playing with the sentiments of pbor. What about the windows who run from pillar to post to make both ends meet. Why do you show the dreams to innocent people that can not be fulfilled. We have a confused PM, a very simple and hardworking RM and an advocate FM. WHERE ARE WE HEADING?

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    23. Sirs, The time has come . We all have rendered colorful service to the nation but we failed to show our original colour to the people of India. Let us start our agitation . Please can you intimate all veterans from all parts of the country to perform the hunger strike in front of the respective District soldier boards. please kindly accept us to share the program as it is going to be carried out at capital. Ex.Sgt.Ashokraj.L 8903563280 From Tamilnadu.

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    24. May be modiji needs money which is kept for paying ex servicemen ie 8300 crores for touring every inch ,length, breadth of mother earth, may be they want to utilize that money.As far as comments by army chief and navy chief, they may not be in need of the money right now, but they will need it when they too become ex, so please stop making comments like that, surely you all will be one like us some are the other day

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      1. All the three Chiefs, the Army Commanders and their counterparts in Air Force and the Navy get OROP along with the Senior IAS cadre since long. That's why they are not bothered.

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    25. Modi declared himself as a modern day Robin Hood till now. Now he is helpless when faced with a simple well defined OROP Scheme. His incapability to overcome the lethargy of his bureaucrats has become public. In future all Indians must note that he talks but acts never.

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    26. Dear sir, PM Modi has very claverly given the speech at the right time when elections in two states are forthcoming. He therefore befooled very cunningly that it is a complicated subject and will take time. He knows that on this issue he will again go in public and made them fool by asking his government has given prop. But reality is that no politicians wants to give prop specially Mr jaitely because he has lost election by an ex serviceman. Think prop is the subject of mod fin minister is only to pay the reqd money. How he can object the definition, formula and rank service whether the all things have correctly done by mod. It is nothing but pushing the orop in a cool bag. Doing such types of wicked deeds for veterans he will never won the parliamentary elections in his whole life. Thank you.

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      1. yes, this is correct Mr Jaitely do not want to impliment the orop .

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    27. Dear veterans till they commit a definite date of implementing orop, we should not cooperate with any of nda's or upa's programmes,

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      1. Simply saying will not work out Now it is time to show our unity. Pl join let us give a voice against them. Or we will form a group ESM and fight for our beloved brothers during next election 613260 sgt subramanian

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    28. JAWANs STAND STAND OFF AFTER PALIAMENT ATTACK DURING VAJPAYEE REGIME THEY DONE NOTHING FOR JAWANS AFTER HOSTILE , RATION CUT AND DA CUT AND SO MANY CUTS FACED. WE CURSE AFTER .STILL WE BELIEVED AGAIN IN BJP, MODI PROVED A HOPE LESS FOR JAWANS AND ESM . DON''T BELIEVE ON HIM, HE IS MAKING CONTINEOUSLY FOOLS TO SOLDIER.LET US GO VERY AGGRESSIVELY ON OROP ISSUE. IF SOME ONE IS BELIEVING I HAVE NO WORDS TO ABUSE HIM BECAUSE I CAN'T ABUSE MODI FOR SOME REASON I HAD A LIKE FOR HIM SINCE FROM 8-9 YEARS

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    29. Sir, I read the news of ESMA Chairman Maj Gen Satbir singh regarding strong agitation on14 Jun 2015 and hunger strik part by part at Jantar Mantar New Delhi. I think before agitation start Govt will awake up and ad positive reply will come soon.Otherwise other parties will get chance to go for debat. Regards. SN Sharma Ex MWO.

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    30. The worst part in our country is demoralising the Armed Forces by the politicians and bureaucrats which will have undesirable consequences both in short term and long term. Opportunity lost will cost a lot.

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    31. We are an apolitical organisation of the Government. We must press for the OROP Scheme but not fall for any political party and its support.

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    32. Misleading and misbranding is a crime, thus politicians who promise the SKY during elections too are culprits if they fail to deliver after coming to power punish them. The SC should ask the PM for a timeline for the vexed and complex OROP to ExServiceMen

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    33. In this rally on 14 June, please use tactics of Lt Col Bainsla (Gujjar agitation), which is a much more successful model that the one being followed now, by naive Generals.

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    34. Dear sir,

      The desperation, anguish and deception by NDA to ex soldiers and in service personnel are being monitored by the enemy country vividly and they may fish in the troubled water. some disgruntled elements may opt for fifth columnist position. so be very careful parikar, particularly arun jaitley who is an anti soldier man and maan ki bath narendra modi . protect our country arun jaitley is very interested in cutting the welfare package of ex service men. what princely life that you are leading because we have voted u power, once become ministers ex service men are thrown out as used toilet tissue

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      1. Your concern is valid, but the babus in the Raksha Mantralaya cannot understand it unless we are bitten, and once again it is our serving brothers who have to correct it with additional sacrifices.

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    35. DON''T GO BACK ON STRIKE, BECAUSE MODI AND COMPANY ARE FOOLING NOT ONLY ALL ESM BUT ALL THE SOLDIERS OF THIS COUNTRY WHO WILL BE FUTURE ESM, CONTINUE TILL IMPLEMENTATION DATE IS FIXED

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    36. “A Time For Prayer: "In times of war and not before, God and the soldier we adore. But in times of peace and all things righted, God is forgotten and the soldier slighted." - Rudyard Kipling”

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    37. Chankaya, the architect of the Mauryan empire, who is said to have advised his prodigy Chandragupta Maurya thus, "The day a soldier has to demand his dues will be a sad day for Magadha. From then on you have lost all moral sanctions to be King."

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    38. Its easy to face enemy on the borders because we know who's who, but its difficult to face the enemy who are amongst us, because we don't know who is who.some one rightly said Mr jaitely doesn't like ex servicemen because he tasted defeat by loosing to an ex servicemen may be its true, he feels that he is the most intellectual person around. There are at the most 17 to 18 ranks in each service, isn't it funny for the so called intellectuals need so much of time nearly 370 days to solve the ambiguity unless they have an different idea

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    39. Mr Modi and his babus are deliberately delaying the OROP. Delay is a tactic of slowing down a decision-making process in order to maintain the status quo. It is employed mainly by parties involved in difficult public policy disputes (though it can be used in other contexts) who do not want changes made. If a group is part of the decision-making process but does not want change, the slower the process, the better. If they do not have a say in the design of the process, then they can deliberately delay it by stalling on their involvement. Strategic delays are often used by disputants to frustrate their opponent. For example, a city government was considering the approval of a new industrial plant. Residents of the neighbourhood near the proposed site were opposed to the idea, but they didn't have the political clout to stop it. So they decided to delay the decision-making process, by asking for a variety of site assessments, insisting on a long string of public meetings, and bringing a lawsuit which they knew they couldn't win, but it delayed the process even further. Their goal was to delay the decision long enough that the company would get frustrated and give up. At the same time, they also hoped to gain enough community support that local decision makers would decide to refuse the necessary permits for political reasons if the company pursued its quest.
      THIS IS THE TACTIC THEY ARE USEING ON US.

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    40. For Modi, this is a vexed problem though not a complex one at it. In his previous avatar an year back, he was on splurging spree in his campaigning mood to get elected to power. It took time for his mood to calm down to ground realities posed by his babus, specially in case of our demands to OROP. He never expected the cost of OROP Scheme including the arrears will be around 16000 crores, and the FM babus makes him to go slow with their ulterior motives to deny it. To cut short his delay tactic, the only solution is to press for immediate action to pass the OROP Scheme as per the accepted definition, alternatively we can give a firm date to complete this long pending due. What is more important is that the self styled Senior Veterans should desist to accept sugary assurances and ditch the early opportunity to settle this issue in our favour.

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    41. Tks for publishing my comment. My sincere thanks to Signal man AC dass 70 years old who prepared to join hunger strike who faced Chinese aggression, 1971 war now starving for OROP. As per pcda circular 501 he is supposed to get 5000/- more approx. i can use indecent language but which is not our goal. just tell me Mr. Modi, Arun jetley and Parikar if any ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------stupid or ------- fill up the blank of MOD or Ministry of Finance gets Rs. 5 less than his salary would he keep quiet? Let me know. publish it please. I am Ex. Sgt. Ashokraj 8903563280 from Tamilnadu. who is ready to face the consequences .for brothers army, navy and airforce veterans. Thanks a lo to every one.

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    42. My father is retired in1981 . and it is war injured ex see vice man and service period 15 year . now he have 14960 rs pension .if prop is apply then his pension is

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    43. If only Narendra Modi is aware of his Dharma to the Soldiers of this country, and has he the energy to fulfill it, in no time the OROP Scheme will be implemented. Complexity and vexation is not with the definition of the OROP Scheme, but the way he is being briefed by the babudom in the Finance Ministry. If he ignores their super EGOs the path to implementation is smooth and alluring.

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    44. It is now cleared that whether CONGRESS OR BJP or any other party; ie all politician are GADDAR. They must be treated as gaddar and to be punished as per IPC 420. Presently NAMO; Manohar parrikar; Arun jaitly and all babu come under same category. Veteran are never going to get OROP until unless the present serving persons treat these fucking leader n babu as PAKISTANI Millitory and keep them in jail forever. This is dame sure.

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