Sir, Basic pension for Sgt Gp-X(Non-diploma Holder) for 15 years, was Rs 5519/- not Rs 5619/- as calculated in DL-33 IAF X group calculator. Accordingly arrears will be Rs 271461/-Regards,Ex-Sgt B.S.Sekhon
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Dear MBC, Its nice of you to provide the calculator but it is observed that the basic pension as on 01.01.2006 is taken from table of 547 which was never implemented for PBORs but by CP which is different in all cases, refer PCDA 397 for that figure. Further check PCDA 551, para 3 to calculate service pension upto max.term of engagement that comes equal to basic pensions equal to that of 568.Ex- JWO9992022018
Dear M B C sahib .for SUB with 28 yerd gp Y pre 2006 pension as per Cir 547 @ 9440 wef 1JAN 2006 REVISED @11970 vide Cir 430 wef 1july wef 1 JIL 2009. CIR 501 AFFirms @ 11970 wef 1 JULY 2006My DPDO says ,no arrers for me Pl oblige to clear.
Please let me know your home address and name of Bank/DPDO by email ( my email -firstname.lastname@example.org ).Your arrears are Rs.1,16,431 for the period from 01 Jan 2006 to 30 Jun 2009.i.e. difference of Rs. 11970-9440+Rs.2530 p.m.x42 months +DA.
IN THE SAME WAY Z GROUP SGT FITMENT PAY IS Rs. 6035/- _ 547 ...430...501 = Rs. 2,31,000/-
Mr,Alexandar Chinappan ji,kindly wake up from sleep and put some efforts to search circular 570 which is already mentioned above your blog.Simply telling where is circular 570 shows, how effecient you are.
Mr. NO NameIt was not available for viewing that's why I asked.. so that it may be reloaded if not done properly . hope you understood my intention
MOD must implement RAKSHA MANTRI’S COMMITTEE OF EXPERTSREVIEW OF SERVICE AND PENSION MATTERS INCLUDING POTENTIAL DISPUTES, MINIMIZING LITIGATION AND STRENGTHENING INSTITUTIONAL MECHANISMS RELATED TO REDRESSAL OF GRIEVANCES report ASAP to save hard earned moneys of the ex army men instead of fiting in courts.
Alexander Chinappan ji,you may give any reason what so ever but it is 100% sure that you are against Mr MB Chandran Menon.
Kab milega date bolo.bahut committee and commission ho gaya
The 7th CPC order has been issued by the PCDAs on 31.10.2016 and the ready reckoner has been released for the arrears of pre-2006 pensioners. What are the PDAs waiting for? Are they not ready when it was declared earlier. This goes to show the LETHARGY OR NEGLECTED VIEW towards the Armed Forces. What the PDAs expect the pensioners to do ? Are they waiting for the soldiers to approach them ?? If their wish is so for the implementation, let them demand it openly. I came to know that the Government pays to the PDAs exclusively (Rs. 12.00 per each transaction) for maintaining pension records of the Armed Forces. If it is so, this process may be withdrawn from the banks/PDAs and be entrusted to qualified wards of ex-sm.
SirsI am a senior veteran. I draw my pension through the Kunnamangalam Br. Of SBT.I like to bring the following serious matter to you knowledge for expeditious action.You are, no doubt, aware of the explosive situation arising out of the unfortunate suicide of a veteran Sub. Ram Kishen Grewal a couple of days ago. Whatever may the true reason for the extreme step by the veteran both Govt. and the PDA ie the Bank, stand accused for the incident.The delay in executing beneficial financial awards by the govt concerning Ex servicemen usually get delayed at different stages at different authorities like PCDA P/PDAs and other authorized agencies. I am not imputing libel or motive to anyone but the fact remains that there have been treatment akin to callousness and outright contempt by agencies concerned when it come the matter of benefits to veterans. The referred to circular by PCDA dtd 13-10 16 has been lying with all banks since over 3 weeks. HDFC Bank and some other banks have made the payments but the Giants in Banking sector like SBI, SBT etc have not done so till date. Similarly the payment instruction for revision and arrears of 7 Cpc also had been issued but remains unexecuted.Actions of these kind create much resentment among veterans which has direct effect on serving soldiers also. This affects the morale of forces fighting at the border. The situation at border is very grave and anything which plays with the morale and confidence of troop will lead to unimaginable disaster. Please instruct your staff to expeditiously execute action on circular 568 and order on 7 Cpc and avoid more unfortunate incidents happening due to negligence from your end.I send this note to you on behalf of lakhs of veterans eagerly waiting for some financial relief which the Govt was gracious to accord.Thanks and RegardsVn. JWO. SukumaranChathamangalam, Kozhikode
Please republish my comment as it is 100% correct as per HSC/DHC Judgements with auth of GOI MOD/PMO letters reference.
Please republish this comment.
NS Gill ji,Sub Raghubir Singh is entitled for arrears with difference of circular 547 rs 9440-pension of 1.1.2006 ie circular 397 and not 430 ie 11970. Kindly do not misguide the veterans if you do not know the correct interpretation of circular 547.
NS Gill ji, Sub Raghbir Singh is entitled for arrears of difference of rs 9440-different of pension which was before 1.7.2009 video circular 397 and not difference as mentioned by you 11970-9440. Please do not misguide the veterans if you do not know the interpretation of circular 547.
Para 1.Hon'ble High Court of Delhi judgement on WP No 1535/2012 in respect of OA no 655/2010 and WP No. 2348-49-50/12 that "The fixation of pension will be subject to the provision that the revised pension, in no case, shall be lower than 50% of the sum of minimum of the pay in the pay band and the grade pay there of corresponding to the pre revised pay scale from the pensioner had retired. "This would clearly mean that the pay of retiree i.e. who retired before 01.01.2006 is to be brought corresponding to the revised pay scale as per 6th CPC and then it has to be ensured that pension fixed is such that it is not lower than 50% of the minimum of the pay in the band and the grade pay thereon. Para 2.However, vide GOI letter No 38/37/08-P&PW(A) dt 28-1-2013 which provided for stepping up of pension of pre-2006 pensioners wef 24 Sep 2012 instead of 01-01-2006. GOI appeals in Delhi High Court and subsequent appeal in Hon'ble Supreme Court vide WP No.23055/2013 and No 36148-49-50/2013 filed against said order dt 29 Apr 2013 of Hon'ble Delhi High Court have also been dismissed.Para 3. "Vide GOI,Min of Pers,PG & Pensions, Dept of Pensions and Pensions Welfare letter No 38/37/08-P&PW(A) dt 30 Jul 2015, para 4 said "Accordingly, in compliance with the above judicial pronouncements, it has been decided that pension/family pensioners may be revised in accordance with this departments OM No 38/37/08-P&PW(A) dt 28 Jan 2013 wef 01.01.2006 instead of 24 Sep 2012.Further it said vide para 5, in case the consolidated pension/family pension calculated in the manner indicated in the OM dated 28--1-2013, the same (higher consolidated pension/family pension) will continue to be treated as basic pension/family pension.Para 4. Mr Anonymous. I would request to read the judgements and GOI letters issued by PMO/MOD and do not depend on CDA(P) Circulars which can be twisted and wrong statements.I am possessing these Court Judgements and GOI letters referred in. However, if your good self guide me I will welcome your comments on my phone before putting in public domain.
CDA(P) Circulars No 397, 430,501, 547, 549,567,568 are co-related. Hon'ble SC/Delhi HC judgements dismissed GOI appeals and clarified Govt orders issued for Pension wef 24 Sep 2012 are to be implemented wef 01-01-2006. Similarly JCOs pension granted from 01 Jul 2009 is also to be effective from 01-01-2006 as this scale was operative on 24 Sep 2012. Therefore difference of 24 Sep 2009 and 01-01-2006 are the arrears for pre-2006 JCOs pensions.
NS Gill ji, Subedar Raghbir Singh of "y"group 28 years service. His basic pension before 1.7.2009 is rs.10532/-wef 1.1.2006. Rs 11970/- wef 1.7.2009. Pension as per circular 547 is 9440/-wef 1.1.2006.He is not entitled for any arrear from 1.1.2006 to 30.6.2009 since he is already drawing basic 10532/- which is more than rs.9440/-which was minimum guaranteed pension wef 1.1.2006 vide circular 547.
In case pension wef was Rs.10532 even then he is eligible Rs. 11970 wef 01.01.2006. His arrears will be Rs. 11970-10532=Rs.1438 Arrears.Rs.66177=00.Delhi High Court judgement and PMO/MOD letters ref. PCDA(P) circulars cannot over rule to Govt orders and court judgements. Hence irrelevant.
Indian Constitution Fundamental Rule 14 is applicable for equalising pension of Rs. 11970 for all Subedars of Y Group with 28 years service. How, he can be paid less pension of Rs. 10532? Rs. 9440 is Minimum Guaranteed Pension(MGP) even to Subedar with 15 years service directly granted commission as Nb Sub and not for Subedars with 28 years service. Where it is mentioned that pension cannot be more than Rs. 9440 MGP?
Please publish my comments on comments/advise by Mr. Anonymous. Is this Mr. is VVIP.
Comments on my pointed deleted above may also please be deleted or my comments given with Govt leeters and HSC/DHC judgements may please be published immediately.
NS Gill Sahab,Kindly check your g mail where I had put my comments on Subedar Raghbir Singh's arrear.Please give your mobile number since it has been deleted from the blog as you have offered to talk on phone.
Govt should think about maximum pensions and salaries also. Many citizens of India drawing the pension of Rs 1,000/-pm and salary of Rs 5,000/-pm also living . This much of financial discrimination is not good for economy.
NS Gill Sahab,have you read my comments on Sub Raghbir Singh on g mail. Kindly publish your mobile no.so that I can speak to you over mobile because you have said so not to go to public domain. That is why I had put my two comments on your email.
Sub Raghbir Singh served for 28 years in "Y" Group. His pension was Rs. 11970 p.m. wef 01 Jul 2009 vide Table 5(Army) attached to GOI, MOD, DESW letter No 1(13)/2012/D(Pen/Policy) dated 17 Jan 2013. This letter was fwd by P CDA(P) Circular No 501. This pension scale was not changed wef 24 Sep 2012 as it was maximum of Sub scale of Pay of Rs.23940 p.m.SAI 1/S/2008 ref.As per Hon'ble Dehli High Court judgement pensions granted wef 24 Sep 2012 are to be from 01.01.2006. Hence the difference of amount is arrears of Rs. 66177. My mobile No 09876188868.
NS Gill ji,If you do not want to read my comments and understand my contention,please close this chapter and be happy. I had already spent a lot of time and money in making the correspondence/RTI to get the same arrear with similar case quoting the above authority but could not get due to MOD letter dated 3.9.2015. No more conversation with you since you are adament and do not want to understand and read MOD letter St 3.9.2015.
Mr Anonymous, are you from India or abroad? Disclose your identity and mail me your particulars, hiome address, your service details etc. I will guide you clearly about legal and normal implications in getting dues and arrears. I cannot deal with unknown people as my identity is known in CDGA/P CDA(P) CDA(PD), Banking circle. I got my arrears, my broad banding disability and my promotion case in court. I am not adament whereas you do not want to disclose your ID.
As perGOI MOD letterNo 1(13)2013 D(pen/pol)dated 17-01-2013,Improvement in pension ofJCOs/ORs ofArmed forces prior to 01-01-2006 .PCDA pension circular No 501 dated 17-06-2013.NbSub,Subedar,Sub Major,Table no 4&5 ,pension not revised of JCOs wef 01-7-2009 to 24-9-2012.I am unable to understand.
Please speak to me on my mobile No 09876188868 and send your email and permanent home address/service details, DOE, DOR, Regt Corps, Bank details, arrears received so far from Bank pass book for one year.
Revision of pension as per PCDA pension circular no 547 and 549 dated 11-92015 ,pension fixations of Subedar wef 1-1-2006 Rs 9440/-and again revised pension wef 1-7-2009 ,Rs 11970/- difference of pension Rs 2646/-+DA for 42 month arrear not credited ,as per above orders.
Bijendra Dubey ji,your 11970-9440,the difference rs 2646/-comes under which calculation? It seems,you may not be knowing what basic pension you were drawing before 1.7.2009 wef 1.1.2006.
In case any ex serviceman is not in a position to remember his basic pension on 01 Jan 2006 which was revised on 11 Nov 2008 vide GOI, MOD letter No 17(4)/2008(1)/D(Pen/Policy) dt 11 Nov 2008.No PPO are received by ESM till today. These are lying with PDA/CPPC/DPDO/Records Offices. How do individial ESM remember what was paid to him on different dates viz 01 Jan 2006, 01 Jul 2009, 24 Sep 2012, 01 Jul 2014(OROP) and now 01 Jan 2016(7 CPC). These scales are available in different Govt letters/reproduced in PCDA(P) Circulars. Even if ESM claim wrong figures, the correct details are available with CPPC/DPDO/PCDA(P) SANGAM Cell/A&T Wing. One should claim maximum amount, let Govt agencies come out with correct details or provide copy of PPO. I all these details with me and calculation charts correct from all angles as I have maintained all Govt letters/Circulars/Court judgements from internet(www/pcda(p).nic.in). I had 30 years DA calculation details from 01 Jan 1986. I had ready hand arrears(incl DA) details of 6th CPC. You should know some details and remaining your Personal Computer provides but you should know how to get these. Best of luck, no more questions and answers without your personal ID, service details, home address, bankers/DPDO etc/mobile & e-mail.
Sir,As per 7th cpc pension revision order the Disability pension revision has been referred to anomaly committee. Now the PDA give us the prerevised rates as I presume. If so what percentage of DA will they give for prerevised Disability rates. please let me know if anybody have any idea.
Sir,78 Percentage at pre revised scale
correction 7 % instead of 78 percentage
Though 7th cpc on pension has been issued by both govt and cda pension there is no sign of releasing the amount. DL 33 arrears and pension arrears are to be paid. Many have to prepare IT Form 10E for income tax exemption under para 89(1). Hope govt will release the amount immediately.
First all politicians and black money hoarders will convert black money to white and then give you peanuts as arrears hahaha jai hind bagwan bachao
DA order also has been issued. Unless 7th cpc pension is allowed how DA will be given to the pensioners. Hope everything will be cleared this month.
I retired in Feb 1994 as a radar fit. Can any one advice me how much arrears I may get and when?
Minimum pension for Hav(Y) with 16 years service is 4837 and not 4814 as worked out. This may be corrected after verification of correctness.
Bijendra dubey, AS Per your reply,I would like say that I was retd on 1-7-1993 with rank of Subedar on 28 years service .my pension was fixed wef 01-01-2006 Rs9324/-as per 6 cpc.Again revised pension RS 11970/- Wef 01-07-2009.The differences of pension for arrears is rs 2646/-+ DA for 42 month as per SC/GOI MOD /PCDA pension order.PCDA pension circular 501 dated 17 january 2013 pension is not revised and written NO change.so I wrote you I am unable to understand.AS per OROP scheme my pension increased RS 298/-only ,and now my basic pension is Rs 12268/- As per SC/GOI/MOD/ NO arrears pre 2006 pensioners NO revised pension as per circular 501 dated 17 01-2013. please reply.
Please send your details on my e-mail email@example.com and then only I can check & reply
SIR, I am waiting for reply of my quay dated 19 nov.2016.my email id firstname.lastname@example.org
Orders were issued for delinked pension and the 7CPC Option 2 pension and DR increased by 2%. None of these were attended to by the PDAs till now. Orders are clear that action to disburse modified pensions with arrears must be arranged immediately on GOI Orders without waiting further departmental orders. The PDA staff cannot delay dispensing pensions and arrears as they are not part of the demonetizing scheme of the concerned banks.
I came to know that 3 Banks branches have started disbursing 7th CPC Pensions+Arrears. Others will follow and by 30 Dec 2016 every defence pensioner will get his 7th CPC pensions+Arrears+DA 2 % increase..
Sir I ave gone thro the tables of 33 years of delinking I have a query ..since there is a change in basic pension fron 1-1-2006 revised 3 times the total arrears work out is almost correct BUT WHAT ABOUT DA ON CHANGE IN BASIC PENSION Please advise thanks with regards Veteran Sgt LAWRENCE JOSEPH 606446 iNST/FIT RETIREMENT 31-1-1984
While calculating arrears, DA at six monthly slabs is included and then only arrears are multiplied. Rest assured, P CDA(P) Audit and Technical Wing had trained all Banks Central Pension Processing Cells/Centres, Regional CDA PD/DPDOs to do the needful. WORRY NOT PLEASE for calculations/DA rates.
INFORMATION THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST TO DEFENCE PENSIONERS AND THEIR SPOUSES/OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS.Inclusion of the DOB (Date of Birth) of Spouse in the PPO of the soldier's/airmen and sailors by using Aadhaar as a reference by the PDAs.I understand that many widows are not getting the pension/arrears just because their Date of Birth is not reflected in the original PPO. Consequently they have to run around the PCDA (P), Record Office, AG Branch AHQ, the PDA with no solutions in sight. I too faced the problem and suffered for the last two years. As a last resort I approached my bankers to include my Spouse's name in their system and they did it in a jiffy on my giving them my Spouse's Aadhaar number from which they got her DOB confirmed.This information will be of help to all widow pensioners of the Armed Forces. More over all soldiers too can include their Spouse's DOB if they are not included in their PPOs.
Hi My father retired in 1968 as Fl/Sgt, present basic is 8740/- what would be his 7 cpc pension. Plus another query, if this de linking of 33 years of service will any additional arrears as per orop would be given.Thank you
!. 7th cpc basic : 8740.00x 2.57= 22461.80 / 22462.00PCDA Circular No. 570 (2) Dl-33 is a difference issue please go through PCDA Circular 568
Your Rank, Total Service, pension as on 01.01.2006, 01.o7.2009 and 24 Sep 2012 scale is required to check your DL-33 MGP eligibility and arrears, OROP scale and then 7th CPC.Stop talking in guise, come out openly with full details. In case do not want to disclose openly then send on my e-mail email@example.com/or speak on my mobile number09876188868.
mr gill sahib good morning.i am a sub y gp 24 years service.what could be my dl 33 arters if u could kindly calculate and let me know.thanks
Incomplete information. DOE, DOD, QS, pension as on 01.01.2006,01.07.2009, 24 Sep 2012 & finally OROP as on 01.07.2014. Certain details are available with me but PPO Number or S/CORR/6th CPC/____?___/2011/2012/2013 if available and then I will come out with exact arrears and entitlements.Pension scale/rates given in 6th CPC PPO.Contact my M-09876188868.
Gill Saheb,did Subedar Raghbir Singh get the arrears.
NOT yet approached me along with necessary documents for raising claim of arrears.
Dear Sirs,Has any thing come up regarding pension for last rank held and not for the rank pensioned. Mainly for all JWO brothers who held the rank for 6 months and below. After putting 20 yr of service and attaining JWO rank but not getting pension of it is frustrating. AJ Reddy Ex-JWO
Dear NS Gill Sahab,Subedar Raghbir Singh will not approach you since he clearly understood the interpretation of PCDA circular 547,and came to the conclusion that he is not entitled for arrear from 1.1.2006 to 30.6.2009 as confirmed by his DPDO.
Mr. AJ ReddyPENSION FOR LAST RANK HELD EVEN FOR ONE DAY IS AUTHORISED VIDE PARA 6 OF PCDA 551 CLEVERLY SO THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT KNOW ABOUT IT. HENCE THE CASES IN COURTS FOR THE SAME.APPROACH YOUR PDA / BANK , AUTHORITY IS ALREADY EITH THEM.KS RANA9992022018EX JWO
Mr. NS Gill,Will you plz throw some light on para 3 of 551 with ref to 547. Where service pension to paid for / upto max.term of engagement. Had it applied ?
Firstly Thanks for your best efforts split out to allSir, Rs 29565.00 has been credited in my acct including disab pension 4319.00(as 6th CPC rates) where it is required to be credited Rs 29712.00(disab pension calculated as per existing rates )
Sir,I was discharged in category C with disability pension with service element for life.I served only Six yrs.Am I eligible for delinking 33 yrs service under Circular 568.
Dear all,good job done in bringing to light the problems relating to ex-servicemen vis-a-vis modalities for calculating different type of arrears. If the DDOs do not give in writing the yearwise breakup of arrears paid during FE 2016-17 than how the income tax authorities will accept the view presented by assessees with regard to the amount due and paid to pensioner on account of different type of arrears. Similarly , how will we modify our IT return in absence of a written certificate by the PDAs ( DPDO OR BANKS )Pl send your comments to My e.mail ID firstname.lastname@example.org
NS Gill Sahab, please confirm whether your comments have been re-republished as requested by you on 07 Nov 2016 after delition.
Sir i ex recruit R.S.Nayak,invalid medical board on DEC-2004.in my pension account credited 2,33000/-(dl-33).is it correct?please,and iam not recieve army group insurance(4000 only)i eligible or not that scheme. please
SirI would like to know about arrears of subedar y group , as per your guidence ,Circular No 547 arrears not paid to me ,as per SC order differences of pension Rs 2646/-+ DA for 42 month wef -01-01-2006 to 30-6-2009,,May I know what is reason for payment of arrears as per SC order /PCDA pension Circular No 547 and clarification Circular No 549.