4th Veteran Hav Abilash Singh Hospitalised.
Today on 25 Aug being the 72st day of Hunger strike at Jantar mantar.About 31 veterans from Sangrur (Punjab) & 2 from UP total 33 veterans were on Hunger strike.All veterans from Punjab are AFVAI members.At 10.30 hrs.Doctors declared all the three FUD veterans medically fit but at 1600 hrs condition of Hav Ashok Chauhan & Hav Major Singh deteriorated & doctors declared them not in good health.The doctors advised to shift both the veterans to hospital but they did not agree.After prolonged effort we managed to shift Hav Ashok Chauhan to hospital however Hav Major Singh refused to be shifted to Hospital.Nobody called veterans for meeting& whatever floating in air is roumour.
GS Sindhu
Gen Secretary AFVAI.
veterans walk out of meet with Army chief
Yes. Bihar statesmen please wake up. If you vote for BJP still you are not Indians.Give to BJP such a bloody kick let whole india will know about Modi.
ReplyDeleteThis team of Modi, Parrikar & Jaitley is going to proove as a great National disaster and calamity by weakening and demoralising the Defence Forces of the country.High time The Nation stands up together to put sense and seriousness into these masters to deliver long delayed justice to the aggrieved Defence personnel with no waste of further time.
ReplyDeleteThis team of Modi, Parrikar & Jaitley is going to proove as a great National disaster and calamity by weakening and demoralising the Defence Forces of the country.High time The Nation stands up together to put sense and seriousness into these masters to deliver long delayed justice to the aggrieved Defence personnel with no waste of further time.
ReplyDeleteDrawing the ExServiceMen on indefinite fast unto death strike is bit too much for this government. Everybody in the top claim that the OROP issue is in the last leg of its implementation. Why then they fail to give a firm date for implementation? If things are stretched too far, a reaction to these events will be reflected in the Serving Service personnel, which will be unpalatable to the Nation and the image of the Armed Forces. The three Chiefs must impress upon the government for remedial measures before an open revolt is seen by them. Will wisdom prevail on them and the PM/DM/FM before it is too late?
ReplyDeleteIt is is too serious a matter,not just for Mr.Modi or BJP, but for the entire Country.. Modi /Jaitley/Parrikar Combo, the intelligent trio, should go quite out of the way to sort out this matter on a war footing. Any more dilly-dallying will not be in the interest of the Nation. ESM leaders should also step in to see this Fast -unto- Death is not allowed to escalate further.
ReplyDeletePlease don't waste your valuable life by going for fast till death. OROP is very small thing in front of your life.
DeleteOROP IS TINY THING. Ok will modji beg to bow down before elderly veteran and cry to forgive him for insultation to Hasan the police did. This is the way the senior citizen respected in our country. JAI HIND. VANTE MATRAM JAI MIDIJI. JAI HIS ALL WORLD TOUR. ALL PEOPLE CANT BE CHEATED ALL THE TIME.
DeleteMy head baowdown by seeing the 82 yr veterans humiliation by modi police shirt torn gallantry medal thrown away can modi have guts' to say any words in Kashmir separatist those Flying Islamic state flags on 14 th August Pakistan's independent day he is a business man.he is roaming around the world n giving donation of our hard earned money by incomtex.
DeleteFast-unto-Death, in the present day, is not a proper tool to raise either the level of understanding of , or the urgency of action by a corroded , insensitive & obstinate System. whose ACCOUNTABILITY for its Commissions & Omissions is itself suspect.
ReplyDeleteIt is very high times that we, the veterans are rise to the occasion and stand behid our veteran brothers who are on FAST UNTO DEATH.
ReplyDeleteLet us hope the Modi Govt, PM, DM and FM are serious about our struggle. and we appeal to our ESM Ministers Gen.VK.sing and Col.Rathore to come forward to resign the post.
Sgt.S.kanthiah, Exwel trust, Tirunelveli-dist, TN.
As mentioned elsewhere Daddy keeps promising and now electricity for villages within 1000 days but non implementation of OROP has already crossed 450 days. Soon mummy will replace Daddy for futile promises and turn Jantar Mantar to a war memorial to commemorate the victory over dream merchants
ReplyDeleteUnto death hunger strike must be discouraged.,After serving in Armed Forces for the nation , Our life cannot be measured in 8.3 Crores, Ask the Govt if U cannot give us OROP fine, Take us back in Forces irrespective of our age and put us on the borders , We wd prefer to be martyrds rather to die from hunger strike
ReplyDeletesir, The MODI, PARRIKAR and ARU JITLEY are trio causing immense damage to the security of our country, once the morale or status of mind of soldiers are in trouble, the external and internal anti social element will make use of this unfortunate situation in favour of them. when civil war or anarchic situation is prevailing, no one from sepoy to general officers, farmers, labourers and employees all are fed up with the three of them, we have to suffer, because we elected them to power by their oily tongued and mealy mouthed lecture, the sin committed by us we have to serve the sentence for four more years
ReplyDeleteRespected MPs of the Indian Nation,
ReplyDeleteWake up. Use your wisdom and experience.Initiate pressure on the government, in solving the issue or else you might see irreparable damage in Defence forces. I understand the sensitivity.
Sincerely
Veer naaris should send Rakhi to jawans at boarder and bangles to all three chiefs ,VK Singh and rathore
ReplyDeleteDear veterans a lawyer who couldn't win the hearts of his constituency people and entered parliament through back door will try back door activities only beware of such things.
ReplyDeleteThose exservicemen whos are BJP MP & MLA s are in the power or in ministry they shoud resign emediatly if they have little faith on there past serivce.inview of 14 th Aug.insident they will be approciated/more respected by the all ex men and we will salute them.
ReplyDeleteWe also r going to Delhi,it is now or never.
ReplyDeleteOn Independence day Mr Modi back stabbed the ExServiceMen dishonourably forcing their agitation to a next level of protest. The indefinite hunger strike by the ExServiceMen is the ultimate humiliation that can happen to the free India. In another a month or so the GOI is going to celebrate the victory '65 IndoPak war Golden Jubilee with the participant veterans on hunger strike unto death. “History does not repeat itself,” it is famously said, “but fools repeat history.” Philosopher-poet George Santayana put it slightly differently when he wrote— “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” Accountability from the Armed Forces is being demanded by our political masters and bureaucracy – but are those who are demanding accountability have ever been accountable to people – having betrayed their trust in innumerable instances and now in respect of OROP? To quote What Chanakya said to Chandragupta on an occasion will be pertinent here, he said, "While the citizenry of the State contributes to see that the State prospers and flourishes, the soldier guarantees it continues to EXIST as a State! To this man, O Rajadhiraja, you owe a debt: please, therefore, see to it, on your own, that the soldier continuously gets his dues in every form and respect, be they his needs or his wants, for he is not likely to ask for them himself.” Then he gave his king this blunt warning: “The day the soldier has to demand his dues will be a sad day for Magadha for then, on that day, you will have lost all moral sanction to be King!”
ReplyDeleteServing soldiers coming on leave must have seen their parents who are veterans and their anguish. They will carry the stories of the neglect back to their units. Can the generals and the bureaucrats estimate the damage they are causing to the morale of these serving soldiers who in turn will be veterans tomorrow? Earlier the better to come to reality in implementation of the OROP. The past history of the discontentment in certain regiments on issues concerning certain community must not be forgotten. We in the Armed Forces are proud to learn from history to avoid similar mistakes, let us be practical in not antagonising the serving soldier.
Serving soldiers coming on leave must have seen their parents who are veterans and their anguish. They will carry the stories of the neglect back to their units. Can the generals and the bureaucrats estimate the damage they are causing to the morale of these serving soldiers who in turn will be veterans tomorrow? Earlier the better to come to reality in implementation of the OROP. The past history of the discontentment in certain regiments on issues concerning certain community must not be forgotten. We in the Armed Forces are proud to learn from history to avoid similar mistakes, let us be practical in not antagonising the serving soldier. In the Sukhvinder Singh's case regarding his disability pension, the Supreme Court has pulled up the Army for fighting against giving veterans a slight raise in disability pension. “So what? The government can have at least this much of budget for its soldiers who are dying for the people of this country every day. What is the point of having these memorials and placards saluting our defence personnel if you litigate against the disabled soldiers till the Supreme Court. You should pay them,” said the Supreme Court bench. Please mark the rebuke of the Supreme Court, a similar warning awaits Mr Modi and his ministers/bureaucrats.
ReplyDeleteI think we should not blame the Mr Parikar he is trying his best to clear OROP. There was talked that mr Parikar told if OROP is not approved has will regined. There is talked that one minster between Defence Minister and PM is only hurdle in OROP who is not allowing go through OROP. I their should a rule that Minster should from the Lok Sabha who are elected by the people of India. Who enter in Parliament by party vote should not be minister. Since they are rejected by people of India.
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DeleteMr Parrikar, if he threatened to resign in private it is his business, if his intensions are honest he should act so in public by resigning. Now we got our ex Chiefs who ordered the PM for saner action on OROP.
Deleteplease stop fast upto death by ex servicemen it will give goverment a chance to break the agitation
ReplyDeleteMay be, government is waiting something like this to happen, we got to be cautious, instead we should float a party and give a fitting reply and get correct answers
DeleteSoldiers never fear death, if you are from bureaucracy then consider this indefinite hunger stike is to defeat your evilness, if you ate pa politician it is to showcase your partiality to Armed Forces and, if you are a common man on the streets it is asking for your empathy with our cause.
DeleteMy PM AS I SEE.
ReplyDelete1.Likes to speak on the political dias rather than parliament
2. Talks about subjects which confuse the poor simple people.
3. Does not like to stay in the country.
4. Likes to selfie all around by the Govt's money.
5. A man wth day dream.
6. Disguise his own country men.
7. Thinks as a world leader.
Your points are good here I elaborated a bit further:
Delete1. He thinks that he is in election mode always and yet to come out of Gujarat, on Red Fort he campaigns for the Bihar elections,
2. He talks about his dreams, many are in execution at 20% execution, now that Aadhaar is out his initiated programmes require a re initiation, his babus are in quandary:
3. His favourite school book is atlas, he reprogrammed all his primary school geography lessons into real life now as the PM. One of the best student perusing childhood ambitions, and we all must be ashamed. Of course his bureaucrats took these lessons are have charted their family holiday in next 50 months, for details RTI c/o Sushma/Lalit,
4. It is proved scientifically by psychoanalysts that only few narcissists go for selfies and he is the one since long, proved on selfies on Twitter since long,
5. Dreaming? He dreams while giving a lecture eyes open. Note the secret whispers close to the Mike. But he doesn't want to live in open within our Nation/Parliament/his own colleagues for he threaten his existence. I cannot vouch for his conduct on foreign tours but surely his voice is short in their memories. Incidentally he and Rahul of the lost dynasty share one thing in common, both go abroad for relaxation periodically,
6. I think that you want to say he distrusts his countrymen. True, he wants every one to be the PM like him even if intellect doesn't permit, if one is capable then he will never trust unless he is his chela bureaucrat assuring him. His mismanagement of OROP can be a case study for ages to go in premier institutions,
7. A leader? HE IS THE WORLD LEADER. HE HAD OVER THROWIN A DYNASTY BY A GENERATION plus. TOMORROW HE WILL STAND AT THE ALTEADY DEFUNCT UNGA AND DELIVER A LECTURE with feeble Vito authority. BY THE BY HE IS CONTENDER FOR THE NEXT NOBLE PEACE PRICE. (Don't disclose to the media, he is not nominated for the "technicalities of the OROP," but to diplomacy which he never believed at home.
Yes! things are deteroiting day by day. Immediate resolve must prevail from things go out of control.
ReplyDeleteWars with offending neighbours were a simple matter in the past, but the war for honour, that too a long drawn one at that is tough; as it is against the strong politicians and bureaucrats who are set dead against the Armed Forces. Ultimately it culminated into the Gandhi's version of Satyagraha with no arms and weapons, a strange war to these veterans. Whatever be the mode of fighting, they are trained to fight to finish. JAI HIND.
ReplyDeleteTHREE IDIOTS
ReplyDeleteGood comparison, but in the movie they were the heroes, here these are ZEROS.
DeleteThere is no adversely affect upon the health of our politicians if we all ESM on fast upto death strike. All our MPs or Ministers are thinking that ESMs are very richer than them. Our struggle should be continue for OROP peacefully. We will certainly win the WAR before coming the next elections.
ReplyDeleteNow we understand how extremists are created in India.
ReplyDeleteघर में आग लगी है और उन्हें विदेश यात्रा एवम् चुनावी दौरे से फुरसत नहीं है अपने सैनिकों के लिए ! इस देश की विडम्बना है !
ReplyDeleteOur former Chiefs are not mere veterans, they are the living strength of the Nation for decades since independence with an exception of one in the BJP crowd insensitive of OROP. They won all the wars for our Mother Land since independence with integrity and innovation with impoverished never complaining men, and the war machines not equaling to the US provided enemy, that too with no faltering at any juncture. Many governments fell down since, many leaders of the past both good and bad were forgotten. But these few General Officers took the Chetwode Motto to heart and behaved like real Gentlemen of the Armed Forces, a rarity which is never experienced by the common man in India. We praise them and their leadership even as veterans for they want our welfare first to theirs. No where in the civil service you will find and feel this comradeship under the disguise of strict discipline. None in civil shirts can understand this sacred relationship than an Armed Forces veteran/serving personnel. Any word of command in support of the Servicemen and the veterans will be taken seriously and act immediately, for we act with velour not for the time bound replaceable party in power/government but to our Mother Land and we were born and exist sna inspire the future MEN for our Mother Land. The Forces/Service's discipline is 350 years old imbibed in our genes that cannot be erased by mere talk or deed of neglect. We are born to win and we will.
ReplyDeleteI think today is the 65th day of the relay hunger strike by the veterans. Our respected PM,FM and DM all are playing foul game. First,they were telling that OROP will be implemented when the modalities are finalized. Now they find out new technical/arthemitical problem. Govt has taken long 18 months with flimsy reasons.How fast is Govt fuctioneries ACTION.The nations super security personnel are found suspected for security lapse and harrased by untrustee policy personnel for which incident none of the Ministers,MPs and political big guns expressed their feelings so far.
ReplyDeletedear sir,
ReplyDeleteIt is disheartening and disgraceful and shameful on the part of the MODI government, some brutal attack on my progenitors of armed forces was unleashed while they commit themselves in the peaceful protest sitting on hunger strike, even their war medals symbol of courage and valour were torn apart, what jungle raj is going on, the winner minister of ex army those who are in the MODI government witnessed it without being affected, see the ex army officers now modi;s sychopants behaviour unconcern of their real duty
When Annaji too joins at Ramlila, Modi will start an Indefinite foreign visit, nobody will know when he come back
ReplyDeleteLenity
India holds its head high, says PM in UAE
ReplyDeleteCol (R) Pushpender Singh and Hav(R) Major Singh forsake food
Because their stomach is full with promises on OROP
Let the retired Defense Chiefs write letters or short stories
Retired Generals or men are all from same flock
Let them scribe or starve
‘Cos they nothing worthwhile to do
So the letter does not deserve any response
Ex-service men on Hunger strike? Till death? So what?
Many die in the country because of hunger
A third man in the fray now? does not matter
A fielding position to save one run
My goal is beyond boundaries ; so third man is
Of no consequence
come what may Bihar has to be saved; very
Important so that we can hold our head high
Kissa kursi ka hai
What a nation!!!
We can only sigh
JWO(R) Sukumaran
What is OROP???
ReplyDeleteRM:- I am playing hide and seek; try spotting the shield of technicality
Do I hear the cry “it is not visible, where is it?” Go test your eyes
FM:- I am translating the principle to arithmetic ; It is a difficult process
Not easy as presenting budget. Translation is a difficult job. Principle has no
Language, then how can it be translated? I wonder. Abstract to concrete
Sorry, I am lost. Wait, some ex-service chief may write letter.
He, what, I can’t hear you, Gen. V.K. Singh!!! Who is that?
JWO (R) Sukumarn
I FEEL PITY ON MR NARENDRA MODI, MR ARUN JAITLEY, MR MANOHAR PARIKKAR, MR RAO INDERJIT SINGH ON NON IMPLEMENTATION OF ONE RANK ONE PENSION SINCE LAST 67 DAYS OUR INDIAN ARMED FORCES HAS BEEN DRASTICALLY DEMORALISED AND EFFICIENCY OF OUR JAWANS HAS BEEN PATHETICALLY DECLINED DUE TO NON IMPLEMENTATION OF ONE RANK ONE PENSION. SINCE LAST 67 DAY NO RESULT HAS BEEN FOUND THEN PLEASE LEAVE THE HOPE OF ONE RANK ONE PENSION AS I FEELS THAT OROP CASE HAS BEEN REFERRED TO 7 CPC SECRETLY BY FINANCE DEPARTMENT ESPECIALLY BY THE BUREAUCRAT LOBBIES WHO IS THE MAIN CULPRIT FOR NON IMPLEMENTATION OF OROP AS I CONSIDER THAT BUREAUCRATS ARE MAIN INTERNAL AND WORST ENEMY THAN THE TERRORISTS AS TERRORISTS HAVE SOME FAITH WITH THEIR NATION BUT NO BUREAUCRATS ARE FAITH EITHER WITH NATION OR THEIR MASTER(COMMON PUBLIC AND MINISTERS)
ReplyDeleteStill the last straw of hope is the Supreme Court's reaction if the government fails to implement the OROP by 24 Aug as deadline specified by them. If Mr Modi fails by then, it will be a slap on his and his bureaucrat's face.
DeleteSir, this is the requirements of the day for the Services. Salt satyagraha did away with our slavary, now the 43 year fight for OROP is the stepping stone to our sacred service recognition before the corrupt and egoist bureaucracy. I will not be here to achieve the lost ground and see the fruits of killing the devil, but all I want is my elder brothers dream of a dignified soldier continue to serve our Mother Land as we did in the past. It all started with this OROP concept by our elders in early 70s and are no more. Common man doesn't understand the implication, but from the Armed Forces alone where the TEAM INDIA have to evolve not from the dreamy speeches like Garibi Hatao, or Make in India which we have been hearing since ages. Discipline, dedication, integrity, and honesty imbibed from the honest leaders of yore always wins in life and not mere words of previous day's dream.
ReplyDeleteSC gives Centre 6 more weeks to implement OROP. Jul 10. 2015.
ReplyDeleteThis may be the final opportunity for the government to ward off initiation of a possible contempt proceeding over its failure to comply with the seven-year-old judgment. The Supreme Court has given the Centre six more weeks to comply with its 2008 judgment ordering the implementation of the One Rank-One Pension (OROP) principle for retired armed forces personnel.
On Wednesday, a bench led by Justice T S Thakur posted the matter after six weeks on a request made by Additional Solicitor General Pinky Anand, who asked for some more time to enable the government to do the needful.
This may be the final opportunity for the government to ward off initiation of a possible contempt proceeding over its failure to comply with the seven-year-old judgment.
On February 16, the court had reminded the NDA government of its promise to implement OROP in the run-up to the 2014 Lok Sabha elections. “This was part of your manifesto for the Lok Sabha elections. You must keep your word,” the bench had observed while hearing a contempt petition, filed by retired Major General S P S Vains.
Vains has dragged the Defence Ministry to the court, demanding immediate implementation of the OROP scheme.
While posting the matter after three months, the bench had in February said: “We make it clear that no further time will be granted for the purpose of implementation of the impugned judgment.” However, on Wednesday, the bench accorded yet another opportunity to the government after the ASG said modalities of the implementation of the OROP were being devised. The court will hear the case next on August 24.
Dear Veterans.
ReplyDeleteAre we veterans dumb or no feelings or opinion to write..Let us express our unity with our colleagues.. Let us give them all support towards getting genuine and also promised and passed by our Parliament. We speak so much behind, why not to express. We are in millions. Please do write your supporting words. If we show out togetherness and Unity, we may reach nearer to our goal. Please follow Sri Chandrasekhar Rao, Chief Minister of Telangana. Irresp[ective of the parties, he could bring all the parties together to fight for Telangana. He fought along wth others tirelessly and could maintain the Unity till he achieved seperate Telangana. We are lacking the unity.We should learn from him.Our unified strength is not known to others.I request every Veteran to support in a way which ever way he wants to support.Our unity is the need of the hour. Our senior Gererals are there. They can lead us better. Please bury all the differences and let us be together always.Convince our courageous veterans to withdraw, why because, we want them with us and families are behind them. Please bring unity.
Is this the forum to praise KCR?
DeleteOur PM and his team are expert in big promises and talk. When ex soldiers are treated this way. What others can expect.
ReplyDeleteOn the long-standing demand from ex-serviceman for One-Rank, One-Pension, the Prime Minister reiterated on the Independence Day that the demand had been accepted by the Government "in-principle." He said the modalities were being worked out with stakeholders, and he was hopeful of a positive outcome. The PM may be speaking to veterans sometime in the last week of Aug 2015. We hope he will settle with them to honour the definition of the OROP and implement it in full and not dilute it. May God prevail on him and his advisors.
ReplyDeleteIn the UK The Armed Forces Pay Review Body in 2013 had advised that as well as a 1 per cent rise in basic pay, military personnel should get a 0.5 per cent increase in their “X-factor” pay. That is the element meant to compensate personnel for the unique rigours of military life and is intended to mean that servicemen are paid about 14 per cent more than civilians in comparable posts. The extra 0.5 per cent is expected to cost about £40 million and the Defence Secretary, told MPs that he could not find the money in his department’s budget, which is being cut by more than 8 per cent over four years. But after an intervention from the PM, David Cameron, Mr Osborne is understood to have agreed to fund the pay rise for the Armed Forces. The rise was worth £90 a year to a private soldier on £18,000, and £200 to a captain. The delay in confirming the pay rise has raised doubts about whether the extra money will reach the Armed Forces in their April salaries. That means the rise may have to be backdated and paid to troops later this year. Advice from independent pay review bodies is often regarded as a non-partisan issue. This is how the PM should dictate the Defence Secretary.
ReplyDeleteWe are hopefull from the final pillar of our democracy, the SC on Aug/24. We are soldiers (retired/dischrged/serving makes no diffrece) and will fight for a right cause till last breath. If a "Javan" & "kishan" giveup their prime duty, the country and citizens will become a history in the world. Leadership of ESM is in the right hands and if called upon we all from diffrent parts of India will reach JM FORTHWITH (R)FORTHWITH. I request my fellow veterns to keep ready for a single call to join them. Thanks.
DeleteAir Marshal SY Savur's clarifications in the "Economic Times" dated 21 Aug will be useful to the PM to understand the OROP and overcome the difficulty experience by him, his office and the finance/defence ministry bureaucrats with unsolvable technicalities involved in making OROP tables. Kindly read the article at:
ReplyDeletehttp://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/one-rank-one-pension-correcting-the-distortions/articleshow/48584328.cms
I wonder how the Govt can be oblivious about the adverse and undesirable impact the procrastination in implementing OROP will have on the serving soldiers. They are perhaps unaware that the soldiers and officers on the LOC and IB are kith and kin –sons, g/sons/ nephews etc- of the veterans agitating in Jantar Mantar. More than the power of the weapon they handle it is morale of the force which win the war. Surely, the cabinet and the bureaucracy are not oblivious of the volatility of the situation.
ReplyDeleteNowhere in the world the ex-soldiers are made to go on fast unto death for achieving what is legitimately their right.
Every successive govt since 1973 has been prevaricating implementation on flimsy grounds. ESMs have pinned their hopes on the promise of the PM; that too, now, turned into illusion.
The PM may have been serious about announcing the decision on 15 Aug but torpedoed by unknown powers. Who is the villain in the drama? That is the moot question deserving an answer. If Gen(R) VP Malik is to be believed the announcement was in the offing but scuttled by that unknown power.
Is it some political pressure, jealous bureaucrats, his own cabinet colleague ? Whoever it is, if PM desires it can be identified in the matter of seconds and action taken by him. To say the least the entire ex-soldiers’ community is disappointed.
The fast has gone on for almost a week now. God forbid, nothing happens to the veterans. If the Govt does not wake up now it will be too late to do any repair work for the damages already inflicted because you are sitting on casket filled with explosives
JWO Sukumaran
True, these bureaucrats are the cog in the wheel of implementation of the OROP. when our IESM representatives meet the PM this week, they should stick to the original and universally accepted OROP formula and not to dilute it on any account.
DeleteSmart, instinctive, powerful, confident leaders, who are also great communicators, do not fritter away their energies and goodwill in issues as important as the OROP. It concerns the future security of an officer or a jawan and their families in the Armed Forces. Napoleon Bonaparte was ascribed to have said, “the army moves on its stomach," and you can't win wars without building real Armed Forces to follow you. A successful Armed Force is one that is well provisioned and well fed, and presumably, well paid.
ReplyDeleteThe common public opinion is that the veterans retiring early are re-employable. There were many studies and reports on continuation of the services of a soldier after retirement in the civil services seamlessly. Utilising this human resource, which is primarily disciplined with inculcated integrity and honesty will be an asset to the Nation. Successive governments failed to utilise this man power as per the recommended norm. Had they addressed this issue with an open mind, this OROP issue might not have come as a bolt from the blue.
The NFU enjoyed by the civil services is a burden on the exchequer, but none notices it as common man is ignorant of it and the government doesn't advertise it. Subsidies given to capture the vote bank are mere waste as it doesn't reach the needy but enjoyed by the economically creamy lot in our country. To curb financial waste, there are various ways and means but it will be gross injustice to the Nation by delaying/denying OROP to the soldier.
Our learned finance ministry bureaucrats are of the opinion that OROP of 8300 crore cannot be paid because of "resource crunch." But in reality the revenue foregone in the FY 2014-15 is to the tune of Rs 5.89 lakh crore, nearly seven thousand times the OROP; the Public Sector Banks have been "re-capitalised" to the extent of 20000 crore, again two and half times the amount required for OROP. Considering that 90% of the proposed package are old ones already sanctioned, the current liability of the promise made on the electoral platform by Modi is 12500 crore, one and half times of the OROP. Where is the resource crunch?
Promises made for implementation of OROP was a desperate and failed election ploy of UPA-II, and again the shallow bravado of the present NDA Government. Now it is time to pay up.
It is shameful for the Govt. and PM in particular (with a record majority on floor) that w/o resp.late Lt Col and mother of a Col who is on fast unto death at JM, has joined with us (for OROP)at the age of 95 years, my fellow vertarns, I doubt, if we are living in a democratic country, this is high time for all Indian Citizens to re-think - democracy or dictatorship of three idots!!!
ReplyDeleteIf you talk about waste of money, to count, I feel this is impossible to write on a single" page but a book with complete details can be a subject for a fellow of Economics to get Ph.D. "Economy flow and leakage under coverage by different names/titles". Hope some one will dare?
ReplyDeleteThis day, on the 24 Aug 2015; the GOI have to give the completion report on implementation of the OROP to the Supreme Court. The extension asked by the Attorney General for 6 weeks for the government to decide on this genuine and honourable pension is over and his final Action Taken Report will be out today. Now we consider the Supreme Court will give its final decision on the OROP and will emerge as our last saviour. God save our souls with crossing this last ditch in our struggle.
ReplyDeleteThe PM doesn't have the courage to face the ESMs and that is the reason he has avoided meeting them all these months. He knows it well that the ESMs have the most justified demand to get the OROP for long and also knows well the Babus have always been wrong , cunning and scheming to have manipulated to deny this to them thru the willing politicians. Mr Modi may not be willing but doesn't have the guts to go against the Will of the Babus -- for all his tough postures on other issues.
ReplyDeleteRead the article, "No OROP, But No High Altitude Gear, Shoes, Durries For Soldiers Either," at
ReplyDeletehttp://www.thecitizen.in/NewsDetail.aspx?Id=4856&No%20OROP,%20But%20No%20High%20Altitude%20Gear,%20Shoes,%20Durries%20For%20Soldiers%20Either
Mr. Narendra Modi is not going to invest Rs.1,25,000 crore in Bihar, it is only promise and he is very much expert in not implementing his promises. He will make fool of Bihari people like ESM. In case ESM are Biharies then they going to be double f.....l.
ReplyDeleteThe media should have highlighted presence of Col Pushpider Singh's mother at the OROP venue, instead they are speculating the presence of VK Singh's daughter's presence. All in bad taste.
ReplyDeleteSunday, August 2, 2015
ReplyDelete[A reproduced article "Indiamydreamland blog" spot with no permission]
Contempt
By Deepak Sinha
What is 'Contempt'?
Few days back some one made a comment that Army men hold civilians in 'contempt'...
A soldier clarifies and explains the true connotation of contempt.
Here is a piece of reasoned rebuttal for the above and trust all will agree with the logic behind these facts and figures.
Every one is a civilian before he joins the Army and is destined to become one again once he hangs his uniform...but in between he goes under a metamorphosis which tunes him to act and behave differently....he undergoes a tough training regimen and acquires a unshakable belief in his own and his organisations capability......Some call it attitude, even arrogance but we call it Pride and it should not be mistaken for contempt......
Now let us examine what contempt is.
- Contempt is when due to a third rate Defence Minister who interfered so much with the Army that it had to suffer 62 humiliation.
- Contempt is that immediately after a resounding victory of 71...Forces were rewarded with a cut of 20% in pensions.
- Contempt is that widows, disabled soldiers and veterans have to go into prolonged litigation to get their dues.
- Contempt is when 90 year old soldier has to sit on dharna to get OROP....his wait of 40 years is still some more way to go.
- Contempt is when a Kargil Martyr father is asked to pay bribes to get the petrol pump promised to him.
- Contempt is when we don't have a war memorial to pay our respects to our fallen.
- Contempt is when we send our soldiers to war with critical deficiencies.
- Contempt is when CAG points out that we have only 20 days worth of ammunition.
- Contempt is when we are told that we have lavish life style when people don't have first idea of what we go through on the borders.
List is endless....but the forces carry on regardless because the covenant of loyalty and sacrifice binds us to our flag...
Of late civilians and Politicians alike have made pretty shallow comments about Armed Forces......
To slight a soldier is easy....but to protect the country is difficult .........hope they have a size good enough to fill his shoes....
For I suspect that the day is not far when he will say..............Enough, now no more.
DENYING OUR FORCES DUE THEY DESERVE
Deepak Sinha
Wonderful Deepak Sinha.
DeleteThe people by not resolving OROP I am truly afraid that they are destroying our great and finest Armed Forces . Any delay is suicidal to our Security and Safety. In fact our 3 chiefs should advise the Government what could be disastrous results by delaying the issue. The MORALE & MOTIVATION are getting eroded. The Trust between Armed Forces and Government is fading away.
Coming days to Command and Control in Armed Forces will weaken.
Regards
Jai Hind
Wonderful Deepak Sinha.
DeleteThe people by not resolving OROP I am truly afraid that they are destroying our great and finest Armed Forces . Any delay is suicidal to our Security and Safety. In fact our 3 chiefs should advise the Government what could be disastrous results by delaying the issue. The MORALE & MOTIVATION are getting eroded. The Trust between Armed Forces and Government is fading away.
Coming days to Command and Control in Armed Forces will weaken.
Regards
Jai Hind
Wonderful Deepak Sinha.
DeleteThe people by not resolving OROP I am truly afraid that they are destroying our great and finest Armed Forces . Any delay is suicidal to our Security and Safety. In fact our 3 chiefs should advise the Government what could be disastrous results by delaying the issue. The MORALE & MOTIVATION are getting eroded. The Trust between Armed Forces and Government is fading away.
Coming days to Command and Control in Armed Forces will weaken.
Regards
Jai Hind
Wonderful Deepak Sinha.
DeleteThe people by not resolving OROP I am truly afraid that they are destroying our great and finest Armed Forces . Any delay is suicidal to our Security and Safety. In fact our 3 chiefs should advise the Government what could be disastrous results by delaying the issue. The MORALE & MOTIVATION are getting eroded. The Trust between Armed Forces and Government is fading away.
Coming days to Command and Control in Armed Forces will weaken.
Regards
Jai Hind
Wonderful Deepak Sinha.
DeleteThe people by not resolving OROP I am truly afraid that they are destroying our great and finest Armed Forces . Any delay is suicidal to our Security and Safety. In fact our 3 chiefs should advise the Government what could be disastrous results by delaying the issue. The MORALE & MOTIVATION are getting eroded. The Trust between Armed Forces and Government is fading away.
Coming days to Command and Control in Armed Forces will weaken.
Regards
Jai Hind
Letter By A Very Emotionally Charged Girl !
ReplyDeleteDear Mr Modi ,
How did you lose the plot so thoroughly today? How did you not honour your promise to valiant soldiers that you had made! You are saying the kissan is as important as the jawan! In which world? Today's? Where national security is a huge issue! Have you spent a week at the border of Poonch? Did you learn nothing in your visit to Israel? Didn't you see the price of national security there? Where every citizen has to serve in the Army for 2 years?
Do you not see the terrorist rat, steadily scratching and pushing his way inside India? He comes armed with fanatism. And he's out on a hunt. Who protects me then? The kissan? Or you, Modiji? Your size 56 chest is blocking those bullets? Or is it the soldier - soldiers like Vikram Batra and yogendra Yadav, Anuj Nayyar, just to name the tip of the iceberg! Men whose heroic exploits read like thrillers and one is left wondering. WHAT could inspire men to such bravery? WHAT!!
They are shot. They fight with bullets in them. Their right arm is shot off- they fight with their left. Their legs are shot- they crawl and fight. They fight with ammunition and when they run out, they fight with the tripod stands!! They hold their post to the last man. But they don't leave. They fight to their last breath, refusing to think of their old parents and young wives and new born children.
And you - you, Sir, are trying to put a price to this commitment, this sense of honour! This idealism. Is this tea being sold?? Is this a business transaction? Sir. Take a bullet for your countrymen. I promise you we will raise that money. Put a price to your taking ONE bullet. Name it.
The soldier performs a unique service. He does a job that is unique. And he does that job quietly. Without fanfare. Without much recompense. You have shamed us all when you began bargaining with our brave soldiers.
I'm ashamed. I would like to pay my debt to the soldier and you stand in my way. I'm enraged. Who are you, Sir? To stop me from thanking my protector? I will give him my annual tax. I choose to give it to him. You tax me and we all know where that money goes! Give me the choice then. Of paying my taxes to the Indian Army directly if you have this weak a will.
I hope you are offered cosmic justice one day. The way Bal Thackeray was. When he attacked " outsiders " and accused them of "taking away "from Mumbai. And then came along an Armyman. Unnikrishnan from South India. And he gave up his life, saving Mumbaikars from terrorists , showcasing what outsiders give back to Mumbai ! I hope, Sir, that very same cosmic justice visits you soon.
Leadership is not about fine words and grand promises.
It is about inspiration, keeping ones word. It's about honour too.
I had not thought that I would be this ashamed and this helpless one day. As I sit in silence and see aged war heroes being shoved and pushed by police. And avert my eyes in shame! I curse this political will and thought that kills all idealism and all sense of honour in everyone around! That generates such despair about the future.
I curse such leaders!
Nishi
dear sir,
ReplyDeleteLet MODI come to ex army people and surrender to them and state what is wrong in implementing the pre poll promises whether it is paucity fund or some one in your ministry like arun jaitley who puts all sorts of inhibitions to scuttle the implementation of OROP. be transparent and outspoken, in your whole life you should not give any promises that you can not fulfill it. we the ex army people are generous enough to accept the decision, but in your ministry all should adopt austere measure, they should forfeit their salary all princely life that they are enjoying at the cost of taxpayers money. what about you we heard your coat cost 10 lac rupees very shameful we are ready to forego our pension for the sake of our country in return what you and your kitchen government are going to do for the sake of country
Belated concern by Union Minister Gen(Retd) V K Singh is irrelevant now that things went too far. Col Pushpendra Singh's shipping for hospitalisation drama too is also too dramatic. Modi is acting just like Nero on every aspect in this country.
ReplyDeleteI consider Mr Arun Jaitley and his Bureaucrat Team has secretly referred the case of One Rank One Pension case to Seventh Pay Commission hence this type of silly arguments such as Once Modalities approved then OROP will Implement , after clearance of technical problems then OROP will implement . You all please think to whom they are be fooling I hope All citizen including Ex Service and their families from these aspects the value of Politicians and Bureaucrats has been drastically down graded by the Common people of India One day may come all Common people will choose Bureaucrats one by one to be headed because of their sadistic work as these Bureaucrats looting crores of Money than the Britishers looted during their time. Second Independence strike is necessary to free and freedom from Bureaucrat Lobbies as in writing India is Democratic Country but in practical India is a Bureaucratic Country as no value for Common, poor and Indian Armed Forces Serving/Retired Personnel, Disabled community and their families . All will hate Politicians and Bureaucrats . That day is very near
ReplyDeleteI consider the Value of Bureaucrat is below than the stray Dog as Dog has some faith but these Bureaucrat has no faith either Nation or their Masters(Common People of India)
Uunderstood that OTHER RANKS ARE ON SEPARATE MOVE DIVIDING FROM UFESM ON THE CONTEXT THAT JAWAN. To HAVILDAR RANKS WILL NOT BEbenefitted PROPORTIONATELY OF OTHERS. Blogger to clarify.
ReplyDeleteLooks like the day is not far off when Sri. Modiji will look behind to be shockinglly surprised to see no one is running behind him, but everyone is loafing behind his bureaucrats.
ReplyDeleteOROP – A ball game no one knows whose court the ball is in.
ReplyDeleteFor the past two days there have been many high level meetings in connection with OROP.
ESM’s reps met the NSA at his residence where COAS was also present. This followed the next day with the meetings at HM’s where the above mentioned along with Mr. Ram Madhav of RSS.
The channels went on and on incessantly declaring that OROP will be declared on the eve of 50th anniversary of 1965 war with Pakistan which falls on 28 Aug.
This raised the hopes and blood pressure of veterans in equal proportion. Many saw a narrow silver ray
Of OROP SUN In the eastern horizon which raised hope . But by 10 pm 25 Aug, one channel , NDTV, again scrolled that the” OROP talks with Govt inconclusive. Veterans reject Govt plan” sufficient to shoot up the mercury level in the sphygmomanometer fastened to the arms of veterans.
Hectic discussions went on till late into the night but the hurdle remained where it was. The Govt was unrelenting so were the Ex-Service men on the core issues of definition, base year, date of implementation and annual increase of 3%. Govt wants to implement from 2015 with 2011 as Base year. This was against as agreed and approved by two parliaments and ESM rightly rejected it.
When 1.25 lakh cror can be so easily sanctioned from the platform of public rally what adverse effect a couple of thousand cror saved by way of cutting short the date of implementation of OROP will have on the economic health of the country?
ESM have given an ultimatum which expires today.
To add insult to injury Ors up to the rank of Hav have risen in revolt demanding that they be heard before a decision is announced. Balls come from different courts. God knows whose court the ball is in now!!
Parleys are planned for today, too. Will it be fruitful or wasteful?
Nation watches with fingers crossed
JWO(R)Sukumaran
It is too sad that Mr modi is not not listening to veteran. Does he want to see the similar things in Delhi as it happened in gujrat created by hardic patel. Don't test our patients . delay on OROP may demoralize the serving soliers also. One can understand what all can go wrong in the army units if jawans are demoralize by seeing their veteran father's humiliation at jantar mantar.
ReplyDeleteDon't blame the army if something goes drastically wrong.
I hope good sense prevail on Mr modi and take the decision at the earliest in favour on OROP
SK GULATI
The slender hope that OROP will be announced on Aug 28 now stands razed to the grounds. Gen (R) VK Singh's statement today that the PM vowed keeping the Tri Colour as witness that OROP will be implemented is a clear pointer to the direction where the Govt is heading.
ReplyDeleteAnniversary of 1965 war is scheduled to be celebrated on 28. It sad that the veterans who participated and the widows whose husband sacrificed their life are forced to boycott the event.
I, who participated in Goa Operation in 61, Chinese aggression of 62, War with Pakistan in 65 and 71 am dismayed, dejected and disappointed to see how dismissively and contemptuously we are being dealt with.
We are witnessing the blackest day in the history of Independent India.
Suffice to say that consequence will be disastrous and far reaching.
JWO (R) Sukumaran
In 60s We used to have a joke in AIR FORCE. "Our welfare officer is sitting across the boarder and not here" This is ironically coming true.
DeleteIf a war comes our patriotism will beat the monsoon and all our rivers will overflow. Let us pray for our country.
WO (R) Fernando.P
What a shame!! A Joint Secretary is a Joint Secretary, and a Major General is a Major General. Since when this Joint Secretary was made equal in status to a Major General???? It sounds like a joke. If this is so, where does a Captain stand in this Army / Civilian hierarchy??
ReplyDeleteBastard Bureaucrat Dogs/Bitches along with Politicians will celebrate the 50 th Anniversary of Indo - Pak war 1965 with out any actual Heroes which feels accute shame on Indians as those who are participated the War and who is actually eligible are not attending the functions which is severely and drastically affect the Morale of entire Ex Serviceman, Serving Personnel and their families and it may result to refrain from enrolling into Defence Forces by next generation due to sadistic work is being generated by Bureaucrats and Politicians from time to time which also closely watched by entire public of our Mother Land. I feel ashamed and pity on Bureaucrats and Politicians
ReplyDeleteThis Govt seems to be making extraordinary efforts to fritter away all the Goodwill with which they came to Power. People have now started thinking whether they made a blunder in bringing a bunch of people to Power who are proving temselves grossly unequal to the tasks on hand.. OROP is also suffering because of this.
ReplyDeleteA Retd Lt General and a Retd Maj General lead a group of ESMs for talks with the Govt, and that too facilitated by no less a person than the COAS . And look at how it is handled!! A Joint Secretary(!!!!) is pitched in front of them for the talks. Can something worthwhile emerge at that level?? It only shows how callous and disrespectful the Govt is .
ReplyDeleteThese politicos what do they know about war, and the life of a soldier, even veteran turned politicos are also singing the same song, I just heard DM saying that they are some gaps ( new word ) they are trying to fill up the gaps, god knows what are those gaps, in fact god also may not know those gaps, they are buying time, expected good news today, but nothing came out, back to square one, worried about havildar major Singh, hows his health, no inputs from anywhere
ReplyDeleteBeloved daughter NISHI, reading your post, tears rolled out of my eyes. I am proud of our daughters who gave their shoulders to beloved brave father who sacrificed their life for the BHARAT MATA. But I feel, The SALESMAN's mind works up to his business/profits/margins etc. History will never forgive those who forgot history. There is ban to pendown a soldiers'life. If I write of none else than of my own, young generation, who knows pros and cons, after reading, will think thrice before putting their talent to join defece. I quote Late Prime minister Shri Lal Bahadur Shastri's speech, I heard on radio during my schooling days" It is not gun that fights but its shoulder behind it" We have latest technology and a man sitting in a/c room can fight a war with switches operative from his room who!!!cares for these Faujis, is the mentality of the so called nation buildors.
ReplyDeleteI think Govt is not bothered about the life of the Hospitalised Veterans sitting on DHARNA/HUNGER STRIKE. VETERANS AND VEER NARIES THOSE FOUGHT 1965 INDO-PAK WAR ARE BEGGING ON THE ROADS. Mr MODI AND PARTY ARE BASHING / CELEBRATING AT THE COST OF THOSE WHO LAID DOWN THEIR LIVES FOR THE NATION. ARE THEY NOT ASHAMED OF? COMMITTEE/COMMISSION/BOTH THE HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT PASSED OROP. PRESENT GOVT PROMIED BEFORE POLL AFTER POLL. 15 MONTHS PASSED AFTER COMING TO POWER. WHEN ARE THEY IMPLEMENTING OROP. WHY DRAGGING YOUR FEET. ARE YOU KIDDING Mr MODI? THIS PALTRY SUM CAN BE WORKED OUT BY A LDC IN DEF ACCTS DEPT IN A COUPLE HOURS TIME. PLEASE DON'T RESORT TO JOKES WITH VETERNS 'BAHUTH MEHENGA PADEGA' EARLIER THE BETTER FOR BOTH OF US. WHEN WILL YOU IMPLEMENT OROP? OVER OUR DEAD BODY? PRAY FOR THOSE WHO ARE EVACUATED TO HOSPITALS.
ReplyDeleteThe EC code of conduct for the Bihar state elections will be coming into force in another 5 days. Will the government hasten the final verdic on the OROP implementation? Any delay will result in unwarranted and untoward incidence or disconfuture to the government due to inconvenienced veterans on indefinite humger strike. More veterans may join in the days to come if the government delays further.
ReplyDeleteThis program is based on OROP issue click here to watch :http://www.newsnation.in/special-programme/question-hour-show-25/14621
ReplyDeleteThe life of Hav Major Singh who is on FUD is in danger. His supreme sacrifice battling for OROP will cost much more to the NDA led govt and Mr PM will be responsible for any damage/disadisastrous consequences. All the veterans, serving soldiers & their families will take the revenge.
ReplyDeleteThe govt must learn a lesson from recent Gujrat violence. The veterans r capable of creating much more nationwide trouble to the govt as an alternate option.
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